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Mom's decided to rest tonight, so have a poll!

I know that Rowling treats Harry Potter and the Cursed Child as canon, but given that it wasn't part of the book series, is a play, and she didn't actually write it alone (which makes it a multi-author fan play to my mind), do you think it's canon? I ask as someone who treats as core canon only the book series, and as supplemental canon, Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them, Quidditch through the Ages, and The Tales of Beedle the Bard. I never got into Pottermore, and since that info wasn't available to everyone (without jumping through hoops) and was changeable/removable, I've never treated it as canon any more than I've treated Rowling's extra-book pronouncements as such. I have no intention of treating a play written well after canon's close with other people as canon, and movie series canon is just that, movie series canon—but that's just my opinion. What's yours?

Poll #2051457 Harry Potter and the Cursed Canon

Is Harry Potter and the Cursed Child canon?

Yes
2(10.5%)
No
11(57.9%)
Sort of, or I don't know---see comments.
6(31.6%)


P.S. Perhaps you think that Cursed Child is canon, but you're going to ignore it (much as you do the Epilogue)? I should have made that a question in the poll. :P

P.P.S. Given that this is fandom, does it actually matter if it's canon or not?

Comments

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reynardo
Aug. 9th, 2016 12:28 am (UTC)
I look at it as a step even further than the movies, which are sort-of-canon to the books. But there's stuff in the books that wasn't in the movies, and stuff that was changed to make it suitable to film.

To stage "Cursed Child", they had to tweak quite a bit, and create a story that would work as a play (or two). So it's like looking at a history written 200 years after the event - most of it's pretty good, there are a few bits that seem a little dodgy, and OMG did they really do that as well????
iulia_linnea
Aug. 9th, 2016 01:13 am (UTC)
*nods*

Your history thought is interesting to contemplate; I'm going to keep it in mind when I read. (I've had the scripts for a day or two but haven't had time to sit down and devour. :)
blueartemis07
Aug. 9th, 2016 02:52 am (UTC)
I like reynardo's comment. It is canon in the sense that JKRowling has said it is. That being said, it also read like fanfic to me. LOL.
nocturnus33
Aug. 9th, 2016 03:21 am (UTC)
Hear, hear. I was going to comment in the same line, but I'm lazy. You both has expressed it really well.
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:35 am (UTC)
That's three votes for it reads like fanfic! ;)
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:34 am (UTC)
I can't wait to read; it sound surreal, the idea of Rowling basically okaying a fanfic of her 'verse. :P
eoforyth
Aug. 9th, 2016 07:37 am (UTC)
I haven't read it yet. I have a copy but I'm in no rush to read the whole thing, just around 20 pages in the car on the way home.

From what I saw, I think I'm going to use it as guidance, but not firm canon. That's the way I've looked at some of the stuff that filtered out of Pottermore (I never bothered with it myself). Hm, like seasoning on the main dish, taking or leaving it to taste ;)
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:36 am (UTC)
I like the idea of guidance and seasoning; that works well!
moreteadk
Aug. 9th, 2016 03:03 pm (UTC)
I'll decide on this once I've seen it. (In the meantime I'm not even getting the book. I won't be able to not peek in it, and I'm trying to give any and all spoilers a wide berth.)

Is it June yet?
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:38 am (UTC)
Hee! Sound plan. I've had the book for over 48 hours now, but I haven't been able to fall upon it as planned. Soon!
a_boleyn
Aug. 9th, 2016 06:16 pm (UTC)
I still haven't read the last 3 HP novels and haven't kept up with the new offerings so I'm staying out of the discussion.
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:37 am (UTC)
I hesitate to begin a conversation before falling into bed, but I'm curious: why haven't you read the last three books?
a_boleyn
Aug. 10th, 2016 01:52 am (UTC)
My experience with HP was a bit wonky. I saw the first movie, enjoyed it and bought a paperback set of the first three books, read them. When the 4th book came out in paperback, I bought it and started reading. About half way through, I decided to wait and read all the books when they came out cause by that point I was vague about details from the first 3. It took AGES.

I started reading the 4th book in Jan/Feb 2016. I THINK I finished it but HONESTLY, I'm not sure.

At this point, with all the spoilers and fanfic I've read, I don't know that there's a point.

I think I like the fanfic more than what actually happened in the books.

iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 03:18 pm (UTC)
You know, I don't remember now how I came to read the books; I think that at least two were out by the time I started them, and that I waited with bated breath for each successive book. It felt like it took ages to me, too.

Fandom got me through the wait for new canon; I love both (to the extent that I get wibbly about what's fanon and what's canon upon occasion). :D

Edited at 2016-08-10 03:19 pm (UTC)
singingotter
Aug. 10th, 2016 04:41 pm (UTC)
I will treat it as I treat the epilogue (in Mijan's words: Epilogue, What Epilogue? or EWE).
It read as fanfiction to me after so long in the fanfic world. But the Harry/Draco or Hermione/Snape interactions are fanfic food for sequels ;)
iulia_linnea
Aug. 10th, 2016 05:14 pm (UTC)
I'm looking forward to reading; I want new fanfic fodder!

Did you enjoy the play even though it read like fic to you?
akatnamedeaster
Aug. 13th, 2016 12:28 pm (UTC)
For me, it's a neither fish nor fowl situation. The creator says it's canon and that should make it so but at the same time it wasn't written by her and it has inconsistencies wrt the original books and isn't even the same format so it's hard for me to look at this as a true successor to the HP series. It both is and isn't at the same time. I realize that makes very little sense but so far that's how I thinking of this.

In the end, however, TCC hardly matters in terms of what it means to the original series as it's merely what amounts to a filler episode in the HP world where wacky hi-jinks happen but in the end, everything goes back to the way it was.

On a personal note, I find the thing awful from end to end. The plot is Saturday morning cartoon shallow, the characterizations of old favorites is horrid fan service or outright character assassination (Sorry, Cedric, guess you weren't really a kind and humble boy deep down) and the dialogue is cringe worthy much of time. I don't want to consider it canon on the basis of quality alone but unfortunately, that's not mine to decide. Mores's the pity.
iulia_linnea
Aug. 13th, 2016 02:17 pm (UTC)
I've thoroughly spoiled myself for the play but haven't yet read it (I'm hoping to have time tomorrow). I agree that an author should be able to decide what is canon in her own universe, but it's difficult for me to accept that here. Rowling didn't write it alone, and it wasn't part of the book series. I might change my mind after I read it, but I doubt that very much.

I'm sad to know you disliked it as much as you did; that seems to be the case with a lot of people. I'm hoping to find something good in it, but if not, well, there's always fandom. And as far as I'm concerned, fan work can fix everything.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts; they'll help me manage my expectations. :D
akatnamedeaster
Aug. 13th, 2016 02:27 pm (UTC)
Go into it expecting the literary equivalent of cotton candy and if you get more out of it, so much the better. I know many people are looking at it as a goldmine for their non-canon ships so there's that as well. And it is said to be spectacular looking on stage which is where it should be experienced.

I'm a bit sad myself that I didn't enjoy it and more, that I feel it has damaged my feelings towards the original canon in some small way. At first, having been spoiled about the play, I was going to avoid the script but I borrowed it from my neighbor. Curiosity gets me every time.

I hope in time, I can completely divorce TCC from the feelings I hold for the originals since it has been a decade long love affair and I would hate for it to end over something as insubstantial as this. I need to adopt your viewpoint.
iulia_linnea
Aug. 13th, 2016 02:41 pm (UTC)
I will do that! :)

I always tell myself to remember that movie canon has nothing to do with book canon; I suspect that I'll soon be telling myself that play canon has nothing to do with book canon, either. :P

Shog spoiled me for the play at once; there was never any hope for me there.

Edited at 2016-08-13 02:41 pm (UTC)
missingkeys
Aug. 20th, 2016 10:13 pm (UTC)
I'm coming very late to the party, having just finished TCC after having had no real intention to read it. I mistook the first link I saw about 'omg, another Harry Potter story!' as a very late April Fool's joke and, when I determined it wasn't a joke at all, I noticed it was, instead, a play and thus not particularly to my interest. After all of that, I happened to stumble across an English book section in a little news agency in Nuremberg, saw it, and decided I might as well read something on the bus home.

I wouldn't call it canon. The format is different, the perspectives don't seem to reflect canon in my opinion, and Scorpius reads like a Cassandra Claire character. Not that I have anything against Cassandra Claire (well, except for her last book, which wasn't even worth reading on a six hour flight, the 16 hour flight that followed it, nor any of the three flights back again), however I think she's an entirely different type of writer to Rowling and thus this entire play is, in my opinion, as canon as the Draco Trilogy.

(That's far harsher than I'd intended it to be. Sorry!)
iulia_linnea
Aug. 21st, 2016 12:29 pm (UTC)
You're kind to C. Claire. :P

I completely agree with you about it not being canon, but I've enjoyed reading it as a piece of fanfiction.

Are you planning to see Beasts?

Good to see you around!
missingkeys
Aug. 21st, 2016 08:48 pm (UTC)
I honestly like her. Not her last book, but I think she's done very well for herself and, since I enjoy a lot of YA fiction, I like her writing for the most part.

Your library kids would be horrified to learn that I don't make a habit of watching any films. Since it's sort of part of the HP franchise I *might* see it, but for the most part I've avoided films and TV shows for the past 16 years so I'm not particularly interested. How about you?

I saw your 'if you're around...' post on my flist too, but of course saw it after I came back from holiday so it was way too late to comment. :)
iulia_linnea
Aug. 22nd, 2016 12:16 pm (UTC)
It's never too late to comment!
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