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Hermione as Dark Lady? (Poll)

Shog just announced that the next Dark Lord in the Harry Potter universe (you know, the actual universe that writes itself having been brought into existence by Rowling and stretched and twisted and changed by its fanfiction creators), will be a Dark Lady. He thinks that she will be Hermione, and these are his reasons:

  1. She is ambitious and goal-oriented.

  2. She fervently champions causes.

  3. Some of these causes are not understood or accepted by those they are meant to help (eg SPEW).

  4. Her morality is the only morality she cares about (see SPEW again).

  5. She has proved herself willing and capable to go to extremes/be ruthless when upset, for her beliefs, or for those she loves.

  6. She is the brightest witch of her age (power corrupts).

  7. She was taught by the best friend of the previous Dark Lord and teacher to the most recent Dark Lord to lie and use special tools to get unfair advantages (eg the time turner).

  8. As a war hero, people will be more inclined to follow her.

  9. She avenges perceived slights physically and with magic (eg punching Malfoy and siccing the birds on Ron).

  10. She makes decisions without consulting those it affects (eg wiping her parents' memories).

  11. She is willing to break rules when they conflict with what she desires (basically, the entire series is predicated on the three of them doing this).

None of this means that she has to be the next Dark Lord/Lady, but I can't think of a better candidate from the books. I can easily see a situation where she comes to believe something must be done and then forces the rest of the wizarding world to bend to her will by any means necessary to make it happen.


Poll #2050190 Hermione as Dark Lady

Do you agree with Shog that Hermione has the potential to be a Dark Lady?

Yes.
18(90.0%)
No.
2(10.0%)

When I think about Hermione bending the wizarding world to her will by "any means necessary," I envision her as a Dark Administrator, a well-meaning bureaucrat who might, say, foist a marriage law, or some other evil, upon the populace.

What do you think a wizarding world with Dark!Hermione in charge of it would be like? What would be her raison d'être? Conversely, if you just can't see Hermione as evil, well-intentioned or otherwise, why don't you? What about her makes her destined to remain upon the side of the Light?

Comments

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eoforyth
Jul. 21st, 2016 07:37 pm (UTC)
I can't see Hermione as a Dark Administrator - that is essentially what Dolores Umbrage was, and I think Hermione would shy away from it because of that.

Being involved in various independent commitees, projects and causes, using her War Hero status to gain influence and put on pressure without the trial of working her way through the Ministry or getting elected is more the way I see her going, like Lucius Malfoy and Dumbledore in part. Then she could advance, either through the use of a puppet front man or stepping in as some kind of saviour (through a set up crisis?) to become a kind of benevolent tyrant. It would be her quashing of various liberties For the Greater Good that could gain her the Dark Lady moniker.

Either that, or she gets so incenced at some kind of casual rejection or injustice she goes out cold-bloodedly to set the world to rights, her way!
iulia_linnea
Jul. 22nd, 2016 09:13 am (UTC)
I wonder what kind of a person Dolores was before she started wearing a Horcrux around her neck? If the Dursleys get a Horcrux pass (although I don't entirely accept that theory), why shouldn't Dolores? That said, even without having a piece of Voldemort's soul influencing her, I think that, under certain circumstances, Hermione could fall prey to the strength of her own crusading zeal and achieve Dark Administratorhood without ever realizing it. Unchecked good intentions might lead a lot of people down the same path.

Your ideas sound completely plausible to me, though I'd like to think that an adult Hermione would be able to check herself were she faced with your second instance (mostly because I think that she's more of a planner at heart :P). Your first instance reads like a story outline. :D

P.S. Of course, Hermione can be pretty ruthless when thinking on her feet, can't she be? I'm thinking specifically about her hexing Harry so that the Snatchers don't recognize him, and how she leads Dolores to the centaurs . . . .

Edited at 2016-07-22 09:42 am (UTC)
eoforyth
Jul. 24th, 2016 11:09 am (UTC)
Sorry, I've been away from the internet a bit too much to comment the last couple of days.

It is the second scenario that matches up with many of Shog's points - Hermione champions a cause, throws her all into it, then get snubbed for some spurious (Pureblood? Patriachal is more likely) reason. She storms off, activates some kind immediate vengence (or vice versa) then gets out her planners, highlighters and post it notes and sets about a cold and complete take down/take over of the person/people/organisation involved.

Actually that would also fit in with the first idea, if I were to write such a thing, which I'm not (please, I'm busy hacking at a smut_fest piece here, to see where I need to join things together - eek!)
iulia_linnea
Jul. 24th, 2016 07:21 pm (UTC)
Good luck with your fic!
toblass
Jul. 21st, 2016 07:59 pm (UTC)
Have you read bloodcult's brilliant fic about DarkLord!Hermione?
http://bloodcult.livejournal.com/186111.html
eoforyth
Jul. 21st, 2016 08:21 pm (UTC)
Yes, that is one of the best I've read - sort of perverse, controlling, total tyrant, but on the whole better than the twisted tyrant and his sycophants she ousted
toblass
Jul. 21st, 2016 11:51 pm (UTC)
Most definitely.
iulia_linnea
Jul. 22nd, 2016 09:16 am (UTC)
I'll pass on this link to Shog (so that he'll stop hinting for me to write Dark!Hermione). :P

Edited at 2016-07-22 09:17 am (UTC)
unbroken_halo
Jul. 22nd, 2016 04:47 am (UTC)
Can I just say that I have the utmost love for your Shog right now? That was fucking great and I loved his reasons.
iulia_linnea
Jul. 22nd, 2016 09:15 am (UTC)
Excellent! I'll be sure to tell him! :D
moreteadk
Jul. 22nd, 2016 03:36 pm (UTC)
I want a third option. I can see what Shog means, but I can't bring myself to fully agree. I think it could happen IF the circumstances were right, but I'm not certain she's psychopathic enough in the long run to not realise what she was doing. I don't think she hates strongly enough, really.

It does have the potential to be a good story, though.
iulia_linnea
Jul. 22nd, 2016 03:51 pm (UTC)
Hermione doesn't really hate, does she? She has moments of intense anger and acts accordingly, but she doesn't tend to dwell on slights; she gets on with things. I like that about her, that she doesn't tend toward self-pity. She's too strong-minded to be psychopathic; her youthful acts of anger read more like passion than that to me.

I will share your comment with Shog; perhaps it will help me persuade him to back off on his request that I write him Dark!Hermione fic. :P
mak5258
Jul. 23rd, 2016 07:27 am (UTC)
I can't remember any titles at the moment (dammit), but I have read some very funny post-war fics where Severus is dealing with Hermione's ruthlessness where he didn't expect it, or making her promise not to go off Dark Lording even if she's angry with the Ministry (or whoever).

Really, I could see the most plausible Dark Lady Hermione as caught up in her own ideas, like SPEW on a whole new level. She thinks she's doing the right thing, bending the rules for all the right reasons. Villains don't see themselves as the villain, after all.
iulia_linnea
Jul. 23rd, 2016 08:35 pm (UTC)
Oh, that scenario does sound fun! Poor Severus, wondering how he got into such a mess, again. ;)

I completely agree.
thepastperfect
Jul. 24th, 2016 01:40 pm (UTC)
Potential, maybe, but to me that isn't the same as it being likely. That's like saying she possesses the capabilities to go to a Muggle law school or become a mastermind who covers up murders. She's smart enough for all those things, but I don't see any evidence that she has an idea or opinion or worldview that would make her likely to start doing them, especially given how close she remains to Ron and Harry and how much balance they give her.

It's a well-thought-out theory, and I would read it in fic, but it doesn't really fit with my future Hermione headcanon. Or not even headcanon so much as a prevailing sense of what I think her character is like (character in the sense of personal integrity, not in the other way).
iulia_linnea
Jul. 24th, 2016 07:26 pm (UTC)
Agreed—having the potential for something doesn't mean that it's a given; Shog just really wants me to write it. :P

I think it's good that Hermione has balancing friends because strength of character notwithstanding, the Dark potentiality is strong with her.
sshg_pf_mod
Jul. 29th, 2016 03:15 pm (UTC)
Was the Winky/Grawp enough to talk Shog down from his desire for Dark Hermione, or are you writing that? —Posting Mod
iulia_linnea
Jul. 29th, 2016 05:09 pm (UTC)
He's still pestering me, but I have no desire to write such a fic. Besides, the laptop's not coming anywhere this room! *hates hospitals*

Thank you for holding the fort, babe. *smooches*
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